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propheticallyspkn
Posted: Monday, November 16, 2009 1:18:08 PM
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revolution, huh? what kind? led by who? are proph and root going to stand side by side putting our differences and beliefs aside?

its too late for the revolution..they are waiting for us!! that's why we have fema camps, that's why the police are getting LRAD weapons like the ones in iraq and used in pittsburgh. its all for us!! we should've been on it already....

i hate to sound "pessimistic", but its too late....we are not united. i'm getting laughed at by friends left and right. i don't back down. i plead with them to research. they do nothing. so when it really hits the fan, am i suppose to rejoice because these idiots have finally "woken up" and are now ready to "revolt"???

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115


this is going to be us... after a while, the streets will calm down and the tyrants will further their agenda...





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Rootofallevil
Posted: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:09:21 PM
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O.k. Something quick to think about that relates to my point about large scale and individual scale and how they cannot be the same. Consider a teacher who grades on the Bell Curve. We've all had at least one of these teachers who gives out a small set number of A's and F's and a larger number of grades in between. On an individual scale you can blame a student for not getting a good grade if he didn't study. Next time he puts in the work and gets an A.

On a large scale when looking at the class as a whole, there will always be those that fail by definition. Those that do well do so at the expense of the people who score below them. Do we ignore these failures with a cold republican heart or do we provide a safety net? Do the A students(wealthy) help tudor the F students(poor) to do better, or do they say F@#% them, I got mine? Does the teacher (government) try to give extra time to the F students or say f@#% them, they don't deserve a better grade?

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BILLDOH
Posted: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:52:41 AM


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Rootofallevil wrote:
O.k. Something quick to think about that relates to my point about large scale and individual scale and how they cannot be the same. Consider a teacher who grades on the Bell Curve. We've all had at least one of these teachers who gives out a small set number of A's and F's and a larger number of grades in between. On an individual scale you can blame a student for not getting a good grade if he didn't study. Next time he puts in the work and gets an A.

On a large scale when looking at the class as a whole, there will always be those that fail by definition. Those that do well do so at the expense of the people who score below them. Do we ignore these failures with a cold republican heart or do we provide a safety net? Do the A students(wealthy) help tudor the F students(poor) to do better, or do they say F@#% them, I got mine? Does the teacher (government) try to give extra time to the F students or say f@#% them, they don't deserve a better grade?


Agreed, Root, but the only difference you and I have is that I don't believe "helpful behavior" can be legislated. It's one thing to work together, it's quite another to go to jail for failure to help. We see these failures on a daily basis in the news, etc. and while it is a crying shame it happens, it shouldn't impede the rest of the natural world's ability to do things voluntarily. My thing is that all of our society via the media is pressing to legislate such behaviors, when it is PARENTS that are supposed to teach it in their own household, thus making the world a better place, and keeping the "group" whole and working as a collective. If we continue to add rules and try legislating behavior it does nothing but divide this nation (just as more rules divides this union). We all have to WANT to do it, and since our population has changed dramatically in the last 100 years (really since WWI), with an influx of differing value systems from different areas of the world and different religions, there is no longer consistency with our founding values system, and politicians taking your money isn't helping either.

As far as I'm concerned with your example, the teacher needs to do both because neither is related to wealth - continue to challenge the higher level student, and assist the lower level student to understanding, or the teacher isn't doing their job. That said, I'm not going to hire an evaluator to monitor the teacher in determining who is who in their classroom, it is part of their job to figure it out and teach appropriately or be fired. If they are not smart enough to do that, then what are they doing teaching?

BTW - Republican hearts are not cold, they have the same kind of blood yours has, as long as you're still human.

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Joe Bogs
Posted: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:30:25 PM

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Rootofallevil wrote:


Those that do well do so at the expense of the people who score below them.








Joe Bogs
Posted: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 5:38:46 PM

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Rootofallevil wrote:


Do we ignore these failures with a cold republican heart or do we provide a safety net?


how do you distinguish between those who failed despite effort and diligence and who failed because they dont give a crap cuz they know the warm hearted dems are waiting with their wonder net?

like grandpappy says, "if at first you dont succeed, maybe failure is your thing".

Rootofallevil
Posted: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:17:03 PM
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Oh Bogsy, I expected more from you. You are making the same mistake thinking on an individual level. I am talking about a national level situation and national level policy making. On a national level, all I have said is correct.

Religion isn't the opiate of the masses......it's the placebo.-Dr. House
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Lunger
Posted: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:40:35 PM

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Rootofallevil wrote:
Oh Bogsy, I expected more from you. You are making the same mistake thinking on an individual level. I am talking about a national level situation and national level policy making. On a national level, all I have said is correct.

Why should I share what I make with the likes of those who are too lazy to do for themselves? I am earning a living based off my hard work and education that I did for myself without any government help, or any help from my parents, or student loan system. I give generously to charities, I donate my time to my community throughout the year.

Soooooooo, tell me again why I need to have the government steal the money that I earned to give to someone else?



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Rootofallevil
Posted: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:08:36 AM
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Lunger wrote:
Rootofallevil wrote:
Oh Bogsy, I expected more from you. You are making the same mistake thinking on an individual level. I am talking about a national level situation and national level policy making. On a national level, all I have said is correct.

Why should I share what I make with the likes of those who are too lazy to do for themselves? I am earning a living based off my hard work and education that I did for myself without any government help, or any help from my parents, or student loan system. I give generously to charities, I donate my time to my community throughout the year.

Soooooooo, tell me again why I need to have the government steal the money that I earned to give to someone else?





Who is talking about lazy people? That is quite an assumption. You are assuming too much. And you don't seem to want to acknowledge that people are not created equal, and do not all experience the same luck in life. When you say "steal the money you earn" this is incorrect. You are only one mishap away from using that money. Consider it as an insurance premium payment. Is your car insurance company stealing your money? If you don't get in a car accident its not like they give it back to you. They took your money and gave most of it to some less fortunate driver who got into an accident. The accident may have been due to his negligence and you are paying for it. Does that analogy make sense to you? How about the Bell curve? Doesn't it suck to be wrong? Damn, now I'm starting to sound like Sal. Ha ha.

Religion isn't the opiate of the masses......it's the placebo.-Dr. House
You couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
Lunger
Posted: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:29:27 PM

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Last time I checked root, they don't pay me on a bell curve. I am a comission sales guy. I don't sell, I don't get paid. they don't average out my paycheck to give to those guys who aren't performing.

When I purchase my car insurance, that is my choice. I can self insure if I had the money to cover my butt. But I don't so I do what many Americans do, they purchase what they can afford. How about those people who are driving without insurance? Should we pay for them as well? They shouldn't even be driving, but they can slam into you and run away because they have no responsibility.

Why is it my responsibility to pay for others? Answer me that? Like I said, I give generously of my money, time and talents to a lot of people. I do not need the government to mandate that I pay for others.

Why do you think someone owes you anything? This is what is known as class envy. Because you see someone with a nicer car, house, or wife... you think you are entitled to the same. WELL BROTHER THAT AIN"T THE WAY IT WORKS! Work your butt off, then see the results. You can't have champagne on a beer budget.

Economics 101



"There will always be a place for us somewhere, somehow, as long as we see to it that working people fight for everything they have, everything they hope to get, for dignity, equality, democracy, to oppose war and to bring to the world a better life."
...Harry Bridges
"I'm a working stiff. I just happened to be around at the right time, and nobody else wanted the job."
...Harry Bridges
"No man has ever been born a Negro hater, a Jew hater, or any other kind of hater. Nature refuses to be involved in such suicidal practices."
...Harry Bridges


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Rootofallevil
Posted: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:51:50 PM
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Lunger, you seemed to have completely misunderstood my point. Go back and read it again. You are still talking about you as an individual. You don't get paid on a bell curve, you are part of the bell curve, probably somewhere near the middle. As part of the middle you probably take from about as much as you pay to the government. Everyone mistakenly thinks their money all goes to the people who milk the system. The people of which you speak are a very small % of the whole. If you give to charity that is good but the government has to tax to make sure everyone pays their fare share. If you don't like it Lunger maybe you should try a move to a 3rd world country, because every developed country in the world will "take your money". That is why they are developed, and not 3rd world countries.

Religion isn't the opiate of the masses......it's the placebo.-Dr. House
You couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
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